only half fancy bc we had to ditch the hind boots bc of rubs. le sigh. |
And.... I've been clinging to that shred of hope ever since lol - through every near-face plant, and every downward transition replete with forging, and every cancerous circle where my opinions re: control of the shoulders are wildly disregarded.
the walk ain't bad tho! |
"Earthbound" is one word for it. "Heavy on the forehand" is an understatement. And, in fact, for a horse whose withers are objectively higher than his croup, he can have an extremely downhill way of going. #racehorseproblems
Just... everything quicker and more active.
pretty good shot of charlie working on getting more forward, while the hind legs are decidedly slow |
Always be displacing his barrel a little to the outside - to encourage increased activity with his inside hind and try to get him a little quicker off the ground. Charlie is too slow on the ground, especially with his hind end, which is constantly playing catch-up to his front half.
Every time I turn (building in half circles and frequent changes of direction across the diagonals), think about 'hitting the gas pedal' - turning him and pushing the gas. Really the whole warm up should be focused on getting the horse to be a little quicker. Getting him to respond. Doesn't matter what kind of response, just need something.
pictured: why i needed longer reins |
so annoyed that the hind boots rubbed bc flashy white hind boots would definitely help mask the fact that his hind end is so dramatically playing catch up lol |
These upward transitions are the important practice for Charlie. Whereas the downwards are important practice for me. Trainer C wants me to post in a steady rhythm through the downward transition, using inside thigh to outside rein without fixing or locking anything for Charlie to lean against. Post slower and slower until he walks so that he doesn't lock up his hind end, or splat down into the floor. And it doesn't matter if it takes us 10 laps to do so.
dis our right lead canter transition. SASS!! but. BUT! it's prompt and basically reliable. as are both leads lately! |
Go figure, this is all getting easier the more we practice.
<3 his canter even if i couldn't get a good picture |
In our most recent lesson, we actually added in shallow counter canter loops, which Charlie was totally foot perfect for. That surprised C haha... but I chalk it up to Charlie's skillz at dodging lesson kiddos in a crowded indoor lol.
the trot after a canter is usually better. not always - esp not if we just get flat and race-y, but usually. |
Probably bc the falling shoulder is actually a symptom of a disengaged hind end, and bending him around my inside leg increases engagement, which then brings his shoulders back into line? Maybe? Idk, whatever the case, our center line turns greatly improved. Phew! And obviously all the practice on transitions into and out of and within trot made for better halts at X.
We haven't bothered actually running through our test ahead of next week's show bc... well. Idk, I feel like we're better served by letting trainer C mold and sculpt us in real time, and all this focus on Charlie's rideability and hind end engagement will play a role in making for a stronger test on show day anyway.
both saddles appear to be fitting better with the re-configured half pad shims. and i may be deluding myself, but his topline in the dip behind his shoulders is looking less pinched lately too. |
Especially bc the horse has learned how to use his longitudinal balance a bit like a teeter totter against me haha. So I need to be careful not to let him get his poll too low, or his neck too far away from me. A too-low head just means that he's pulling his weight off the hind end - instead I should be thinking about keeping him at least horizontal, and riding the hind legs more 'under' him.
The horse isn't pulling me out of the saddle even close to how he used to... but we're definitely still very much working on that inclination. Progress is happening, tho, slowly. And I'm still clinging to my dreams of a "Future Elegant Horse" haha....
Oh that long slow development work. It's so... fun. Haha. I think you guys really hit on Charlie's weak spots (not problems, let's try "improvement points" haha). Overall he's looking good, and that walk definitely points to potential! In my experience, this is pretty common for a) long, large horses b) thoroughbreds with race training, who don't see the point of wasting the energy to lift the front end. Hell, I'm still struggling with that downhill tendency when it comes to Pig. Hind leg! Move faster, yo! Rib cage! Yield to mah leg!
ReplyDeleteyea i mean he's basically never had to engage his hind end in this manner before, and is not particularly inclined to do so without great motivation lol. plus he gets tired quickly.
Deletehe's a good boy tho, and learns quickly through repetition. so especially these exercises that are quick bursts repeated often (the 'spurts' forward, for instance, and transitions) really help
I learn so much from your lesson posts. Charlie is looking really good. Have you found the magic formula for his weight?
ReplyDeletethanks! alas, no we have not found the magic formula for his weight. these pics might be a little deceptive - his barrel has looked more or less fine for a while, but his hips and topline are atrocious. like.... actually were a little pointier than usual this particular week. it's a constant struggle :(
DeleteYou're putting in all the hard work and building a solid foundation to make him fancy down the road (not that I don't love him now but you know what I mean!) 😍
ReplyDeletethanks!! and yep i know exactly what you mean! i honestly have pretty high hopes for turning that trot into something actually pleasant to behold. methinks as we can move into more advanced movements (more lateral, more bend, more ... everything haha) that will also help him learn to create and hold engagement better than just boring endless circles. we'll see tho!
DeleteMy trainer used the term "earthbound" the other day when I was letting Marcus get strung out/no impulsion at the canter. Never herd it before.
ReplyDeleteFancy takes time. Thats what I keep telling myself with Frankie but it looks like you are laying out the groundwork for a really nice little horse :)
lol yea.... i had been familiar with that term but hadn't ever applied it to my own horse before Charlie, who absolutely epitomizes the word haha. but yup, agreed 100% that fancy takes time. and i just happen to have LOTS of time ;)
DeleteCharlie has Big Horse Syndrome. There's so much up front that picking them up is quite the task. Precisely why I ride small horses :P
ReplyDeletelol for real
Deletei like your posts. we're working on a lot of similar stuff, I'm just a little farther along because I've had runkle longer.
ReplyDeletehate to say it but you'll still be workin on this garbage after a year too :P
yea i mean.... i foresee this being a VERY longterm thing haha... (*sob*). lol but seriously tho, what is dressage if not just a constant string of "more" and "better"???
DeleteYou both are making such good, solid forward progress! Good stuff :)
ReplyDeletethanks - we're certainly trying!
DeleteI can really invision that big beautiful guy doing all the fancy--love all the stuff your trainer is telling you.
ReplyDeletegosh i sure hope so!! and yea trainer C is basically the best. so much of this instruction is just kinda slowly guiding *me* in the right direction to keep me feeling empowered and confident and like i know what i'm doing too lol....
DeleteSounds like a great list of things to work on. I'm seriously impressed with how far you've come with Charlie in a relatively short period of time. I hope the show is a good experience for you both!
ReplyDeletethanks, i hope so too! so far charlie has honestly been a pretty good guy to work with!
DeleteCourage is built differently than Charlie so I've had different variations of this problem, but yeah same basic thing. ;-)
ReplyDeleteyea i mean, so much of dressage can be boiled down to the progressive redistribution of the horse's weight off the front end to being carried more on the hind quarters. it just so happens that Charlie's starting from.... a not necessarily level playing field lol
DeleteCharlie is going to be super fancy! Seriously, I am at an eventing barn which is suddenly trending towards dressage and there are some fancy dressage tests happening! The TB event horses are holding their own against the warmbloods at the shows:)
ReplyDeletedefinitely! i have absolutely nothing to say against TBs in the dressage ring (esp given that.... i like dressage and i bought a TB lol). breed-wise, charlie's in good company. as an individual? he's facing an uphill (puns lol) battle haha
DeleteMmmmm I love all of the detail in this post. Yay dressage and nit picking at the little things to see big improvements down the line. I do see the improvements already though! Love love love this.
ReplyDeleteWe'll get some good canter photos next weekend ;-)
thanks! the biggest improvements right now lie especially in my ability to actually influence the horse's way of going in subtle ways. being able to actually displace his barrel, or create more bend with my inside leg. we can't actually hold a new balance longitudinally yet (or even necessarily laterally), but the ingredients necessary to do so are becoming more confirmed!
Deletelooking good!! I am exhausted reading all that that is a LOT of thinking you do up there! HA...is your event this weekend (Time flies)! Keep on posting (slow) :)
ReplyDeletelol will do!
DeleteI was told that it's better to have a good walk/canter than a good trot. Because the walk/canter is really hard to influence.
ReplyDeleteCharlie is starting to look a little fancy! But I like his general Charlieness best. :)
yep that seems to be the general rule of thumb!
DeleteI really admire how you work so hard at and analyze even at these beginning stages. You'll have such a great record of your progress in the end. I have a hard time not just pushing past them to the next step, but really I should focus on what we're doing now and not just waiting to get to the next step.
ReplyDeletethanks - honestly i just want to do the best i can for the horse, and a lot of this stuff is legitimately pretty new for me too. isabel was the first horse that i really actually legitimately rode dressage on, and charlie is an entirely different type of ride. so i'm having to relearn a lot of the basics even as i try to teach him. so that's definitely a big help in staying focused on the 'right now' vs 'what's next.' the other thing that helps is trying to really arrange my thoughts such that the next step builds directly off of what we're doing now, which only whets my motivation to do this foundational type stuff as well as possible.
DeletePfft he is already elegant!
ReplyDeletelol that's what he says!
DeleteI really like these posts and it's awesome following along with you and Charlie, especially dressage lesson recaps because I get dressage instruction about three times a year. *sigh* Greater Rednecklandia has its moments, but convenient, accessible dressage instruction is not one of them.
ReplyDeleteugh i hear ya. despite this area being somewhat rife with horse professionals, i actually really struggled for about a year finding regular dressage instruction. it actually felt like i was at a somewhat disadvantage looking for trainers who would accept me and my horse as a ship in, or who would come to us. like maybe i would have had better luck if i was looking to ride schoolies? idk. whatever the case it was a slog haha, and i have never looked back since finding trainer C!
DeleteMine is so heavy on the forehand as well. I'm hoping that'll improve as her topline continues to develop - right now it's reminders not to pull down so hard
ReplyDeleteThese posts are very helpful to me! Candy definitely gets very heavy on her forehand and I sometimes I have trouble differentiating between "Candy wants to stretch" (good!) and "Candy is evading" (bad!). I'm jealous that your horse will one day be elegant; Candy will never be elegant- she is a heinous mover lolz.
ReplyDeleteCharlie looks especially elegant in that first picture! Who needs work when you can stand around and look pretty? He's making so much progress though!
ReplyDeleteRiding the hind end is soooo hard!
ReplyDeleteEveryday a little stronger, a little easier
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