tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post2478343104350442738..comments2024-03-26T17:31:58.290-07:00Comments on 'Fraidy Cat Eventing: my experience with joint injectionsemmahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05686949099663199382noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-33564329096817753592021-03-15T09:03:55.341-07:002021-03-15T09:03:55.341-07:00I'm very pro-joint infections, as long as they...I'm very pro-joint infections, as long as they're recommended and driven by a vet I trust. Have seen a huge difference in my horses, and think it's one piece of the longterm soundness puzzle.Laurenhttps://www.shemovedtotexas.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-29575430120299972542021-03-14T17:35:56.297-07:002021-03-14T17:35:56.297-07:00I have not done injections. However, I wonder if C...I have not done injections. However, I wonder if Carmen will need them at some point. TeresaAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05311118900077951863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-49382923569660888492021-03-14T14:46:23.114-07:002021-03-14T14:46:23.114-07:00I've had Phantom's hocks injected annually...I've had Phantom's hocks injected annually since she was about 10. For the first years it made a big difference, the last couple of times not so much for the left side. I've stepped her workload down considerably and she gets Previcox when she's going to be ridden these days and I don't know if I will get them done again. <br /><br />I always thought that an infection due to the injection would show up in a couple of days, but I was told a few years ago by the vet that it could be a week or so (takes time for the bacteria to grow?) before I would notice anything. So don't think you are out of the woods if nothing happens in the first couple of days!Gray Flannel Horseshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798379736435785129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-9743481058507652282021-03-12T12:07:04.440-08:002021-03-12T12:07:04.440-08:00I'm totally open to the idea of joint injectio...I'm totally open to the idea of joint injections but am a firm believer that they're not a fix-all for a horse that is allowed to go poorly. *Disclaimer this is not a direct comment on anyone in blogland or that I know in person - it's just my personal thoughts. For example, I see a ton of people jumping to inject an SI when I've had many conversations with vets and professional trainers that believe you can *likely* avoid an SI injection by working the horse correctly and slowly to build up necessary muscle and strength. <br /><br />Goose turns 17 next week, and while he feels great he does get a bit more shuffly at times and loses his hind end. I'm considering having him evaluated for potential monthly maintenance (Adequan, etc) or injections. Before I do that though, I'm getting him back to work with tons of correct work to see how much that helps what I'm feeling before I jump to vets and maintenance. <br /><br />In short (?lol not a short comment, sorry!) there are many roads to Rome, and I think horse owners need to determine what's best for their horses. Particularly athletic sport horses who do a heck of a lot more than my land hippo does!Lysshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09615588484441219137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-90201755615214157012021-03-11T15:37:24.507-08:002021-03-11T15:37:24.507-08:00Opinions about joint injections vary hugely even a...Opinions about joint injections vary hugely even among veterinarians. At a CE conference I went to a few years ago there was a 50 minute table topic about joint injections and it seemed like everyone who spoke up had a different way of doing things, or what they put in their injections.<br /><br />I always describe a joint infection to my clients as, "it will look like your horse has a broken leg" because it is that severe of a lameness, even on bute.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09066327510880156537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-51032994806556189752021-03-11T12:51:14.842-08:002021-03-11T12:51:14.842-08:00As a kid/junior I never had a horse get a joint in...As a kid/junior I never had a horse get a joint injected or saw another horse at the barn get one injected. I don't even think we gave a joint supplement, just a multivitamin. So as an adult I was kind of surprised at the frequency I saw it done.<br /><br />My first experience with steroid injections was Stampede's back. He didn't have any issues (except being allergic to their scrub lol) but those injections just don't last long and pretty much you are lucky to get much result after you do it a couple times. His second injection only lasted a few months. Thankfully after that I met a great vet who taught me how to rehab him properly and we got him going again for a few years. During that time I did get his hocks done once - the rest of a horse's body takes a lot more wear when they are compensating for a back issue. After that injection he was on equioxx until he retired as well as monthly Adequan.<br /><br />I had Phoenix's hocks injected once because hey he was in his mid 20's and he needs it right? It was the worst. One hock swelled up with inflammation (no infection) that took months to resolve. By the time he was back to work I felt no difference anyways. He is still on monthly Adequan these days but I would never inject a joint on him again unless I had too. At my boarding barn I've now seen two other horses react this way to a joint injection, one by the same vet I used and one by another vet practice all together, and one of the two horses ended up with a permanent softball off his hock.<br /><br />Ernie had annual hock injections at his prior barn because that's just what they do for all horses. Totally not my thing if they don't need it. He had flexions and x-rays when I bought him and his hocks were fine. So he's probably nearing two years since he had them done now. His right hind ankle has a healed sesamoid fracture that I opted to do a PRP injection on in December and I'm so happy with that. I think I would do PRP for his hocks should the need arise. <br /><br />I should mention that Stampede went on steroids for a skin issue and that's what caused his EHV5 to progress more rapidly so I clearly have a bias against steroid use in horses at this point. I see it done and many horses are just fine but the risk is tough for me to swallow when there are other options. <br /><br />Sorry for the novel lolStampy and the Brainhttp://www.stampyandthebrain.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-90314897682738600472021-03-11T10:44:16.599-08:002021-03-11T10:44:16.599-08:00Prior to moving to FL, I didn't have any exper...Prior to moving to FL, I didn't have any experience with joint injections. I knew what they were, but I didn't explicitly know any horses who needed them. When Satin was due for injections, I started asking questions out of curiosity. In general, Satin's owner and my trainer agreed that you can expect to start around the age of 10 for competitive hunter/jumper horses and they're usually done annually so long as the horse is still in work. Blackjack just had his hocks and stifles done, Liberty is likely going to have or has had hers done recently, too. Blackjack also gets his whole back done as well because his conformation doesn't help him out in that regard.<br /><br />From my perspective, I'm kind of on the fence about them mostly because, as you mentioned, they aren't a permanent solution, and you have to stop at some point. And that point likely varies from horse to horse and discipline to discipline. They feel simultaneously a reactive treatment while also being preventative maintenance. Idk, I probably just don't have enough experience to fully wrap my head around this.T. A. Eyo ¥https://www.blogger.com/profile/13753582203234478366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-30961740891161635012021-03-11T08:49:34.456-08:002021-03-11T08:49:34.456-08:00I have always felt the stifle is too large of a jo...I have always felt the stifle is too large of a joint to inject and personally prefer using PT like exercises to strengthen it and possible a shot of estrone to support the conditioning program.<br /><br />I did hock injections on Carlos and they were the worst timed vet procedure I ever did since I put him down like 3 months later.L.Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05052638724440787772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-11094524825525260592021-03-11T08:27:30.278-08:002021-03-11T08:27:30.278-08:00The one time I dealt with a joint injection was in...The one time I dealt with a joint injection was in a foal, and unfortunately he didn't make it because of that. So they're definitely a concern!<br /><br />I have done a few joint injections - mostly Amber's knee and her stifle after surgeries, but I since decided to do Adequan. She always seemed like she needed help more consistently than an injection every 6 months, and when it came down to it, it was actually cheaper to do that than having the vet come out and inject. <br /><br />Hopefully tho Sir Charles feels good after his maintenance!Mandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14485570296592298816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-56473736610602835612021-03-11T08:22:18.340-08:002021-03-11T08:22:18.340-08:00I have been lucky enough that most of my horses ha...I have been lucky enough that most of my horses haven't required joint injections. I did have my older mare on Legend injections (which are IV) which worked well for our purposes, as we do not have a regular equine vet in the area, so injecting joints and heading back home without vet support isn't the best idea! In Suzie's case, her knee was so full of arthritis we could not safely inject the joint itself - so Legend it was!Cathrynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652933884652697666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-3678330972214162922021-03-11T08:12:06.030-08:002021-03-11T08:12:06.030-08:00As I mentioned yesterday, Cosmo just got a round o...As I mentioned yesterday, Cosmo just got a round of joint juice a couple weeks ago. Since I have owned him (7 years) I started doing his hocks 3-4 years ago. The first few times we did his SI along with his hocks and holy wow did I feel a difference right away. Those injections lasted a full year (last year I got 14 months of out them). However, with his unexpected increased workload from his leaser last year, we had to do his hocks a second time (and we skipped his SI and did his stifles last year) 3 weeks ago he was quite ouchy up front and the vet could see his head bob when his leg went forward, not so much when it hit the ground - so he explained how that usually indicates the joins on the front of the coffin are where it hurts. I asked him to flex his SI since that was almost 2 years since it's last injection and Cosmo did not like that. So we did his coffins and SI. I had never done his coffins but when the vet put the needle in he could see that joint fluid was practically water so it was very clear that it needed to be done. He also prescribed 3 days hand/tack walking and then return to normal work, with me feeling the full benefit in 5-10 days.<br /><br />I've only ridden Mo twice since his injections (weather, camping trip) but he felt GOOD. We jumped a couple little things and I asked for a short turn and Mo ROCKED back, made it way tighter than I meant, and POWERED forward to the little jump. I feel this was money well spent, and with his new workload (a bit less than last year) I am pretty sure these should last 12 months. We will have to do his hocks again, but hopefully, he'll get a year out of those too.<br /><br />I am also lucky that when he was younger, he was adequon (or legend - I don't remember) for general maintenance and I think that has paid off in the long run. He turns 25 in a few weeks and is still in full work, jumping 2xs a week (little stuff with his new leaser, and up to a 1m-1.05m with me). I know these help him, and I am not hesitant yet to keep them up. The dude still LOVES to jump any chance he gets.Careyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03624374504547832814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-932439930694780998.post-64995464345650357632021-03-11T07:36:59.518-08:002021-03-11T07:36:59.518-08:00Definitely do them for my kids! I try not to start...Definitely do them for my kids! I try not to start too young if I can help it since I do think there's a limited amount of times you're going to see a benefit from it. And also that does depend on the joint you're working on. I've gotten a little more cautious about jumping to injections after Jamp foundered a few years ago. We're confident it was from the steroid. He'd been injected plenty of times in years prior, but our hypothesis is that in his old age, something had changed in his body and he couldn't handle the steroid any longer. It hasn't scared me off them entirely, Eros and Pammon both had their hocks done this year. Eros had his neck done too. And Pammon is about to have his SI done. But as they get older, I'll probably run a blood panel prior to injecting. I'm also really curious about the newer prp injections they're doing. It might be something I'd switch to as they get up in years rather than the steroid. We used the prp for Shiny's neck, and I do think it helped her. Though it didn't cure all of our problems. Nothing is ever a magic wand though!Stacie Seidmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421021003654717894noreply@blogger.com